I bought 568 a couple years ago as a hen and he turned out to be a small cock. Had a small loft so he has never been bred from. Don't know why as Einstein/mona lisa x Gabby have done well for me. 568 has very soft silky feathers and handles great. I don't think your gonna get a more inbred Mona Lisa pigeon anywhere that has this many super pigeons in his pedigree. The house where I had my birds was sold so sadly to say I'm finding new homes for my feathered friends.